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:lol: Appreciate the mention of me, Nick. Seriously, I do.

Yes, it's very clear they thought about Frankensteining cars before I did. I always felt there was something not right about the SSS (Stainless Steel Suicide) when I read what year it was supposed to be. But I think the piecemealing was reversed: I suspect that they used a '67 and did some minor refits of easier '66 trim to it (why the door panels, I don't know, but hey, it was their thing). Having done '67 upgrades to a stock '66, I would say that it's easier to drill holes into a '67 fender for the compasses and to swap the front grille, than it would be to heavily re-vamp the '66 dash configuration to '67 specs. There are enough differences just in the tail and hazard wiring to make such a conversion a lot more difficult; plus, there are subtle differences in the overall construction of the dash beyond merely the padding. Therefore, I submit that the SSS was/is a '67 model with a few bits of '66 trim thrown into it.

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Nice theory. But the stainless Lincoln’s were all built in 66. None were built in 67.
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Here's more info: http://automotivemileposts.com/lincoln/ ... steel.html
The all-new 1966 Lincoln Continental was very popular, and model year production surpassed the 50,000 mark for the first time since the unibodied, center-opening rear door body styling had been introduced back in 1961. To celebrate this achievement, the fifty thousandth car built was assembled with brushed stainless steel body panels for the Lincoln Division. The metal was supplied by Allegheny-Ludlum Steel Corporation of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which was the same company behind the stainless steel 1936 Fords and the 1960 Ford Thunderbird Hardtops.

Allegheny-Ludlum ordered two additional stainless steel cars to use for promotions, and they were built at the same time as the fifty thousandth car for Lincoln. All three were Convertibles, and featured a brushed finish on the stainless steel panels. The convertible tops were black on two of the cars, and a dark blue top was fitted to the other. One had a black leather interior, another a dark blue leather interior with individually adjustable front seats and console (this was the one with the dark blue top), and the third a red leather interior. The car with the black top and black leather interior was the 50,000th car, has the 50,000th VIN, and remained with Lincoln-Mercury for years. The other two of course were delivered to Allegheny-Ludlum.

The inside areas of the doors, under the hood, and inside the trunk are painted to match the interior trim color of the cars, as stainless steel was not used in these areas.

The cars were built late in the 1966 production run at a cost of $30,000 each. The two cars built for Allegheny-Ludlum were fitted with 1967 hood ornament, grille, and taillight trim, as well as '67 dash pad, tilt steering wheel column, steering wheel, and padded hub to update their appearance. Despite using 1967 grilles, for some reason, the Continental Star that appeared on the front fenders of the 1966 models only was fitted to all three stainless cars. Documentation shows that the front fenders did not initially have the mounting holes for the ornaments, so they had to be drilled later to attach the chrome decorations. It is not clear why this was done, as not attaching those emblems would have essentially given the cars a '67 exterior appearance.

The car retained by Lincoln (the actual fifty thousandth car) was damaged in the 1970s when a building partially collapsed on the car. It was repaired, purchased by Allegheny-Ludlum, and is now on display in a museum. The car with the red interior was was in an accident and suffered front end damage at some point. It too was repaired.

All three stainless steel Lincoln Continental Convertibles still exist today, and are shown from time to time at car shows around the country.
THREE SS Convertibles
THREE SS Convertibles
The three stainless steel Lincoln Continental Convertibles are shown in the image at left in the special assembly area set aside for these cars. The 50,000th Lincoln is the one on the extreme right in the photo. Note the bracing running from the windshield header, and the pieces of paper taped to the center of the header, upon which the words "DO NOT PAINT" were written. (Click image to view larger version in new window or tab.)
It is illogical to think that they would have put old trim and door panels on a car from a previous year, but the opposite is what actually occurred. What is 66 was not updated.

Confusion reigns supreme as even the Automotive Mileposts article confuses use with this statement:
Documentation shows that the front fenders did not initially have the mounting holes for the ornaments, so they had to be drilled later to attach the chrome decorations. It is not clear why this was done, as not attaching those emblems would have essentially given the cars a '67 exterior appearance.
It was done because they were built as 66s. The 67 trim update came later because when the SS cars were finished, the 66 model year was over and it was silly to show off last year's car when AL was showcasing them. Although, I'd like to see this documentation.

Since they were claimed to be built in late 66 and were up to the 50,000th cars built, they could have been 67s because they would have been lower VINs.
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Here's another article. Nice dent in the LF fender.

http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/linc ... n-001.html
This 66 Lincoln Continental features a body made of stainless steel. It was created in a joint promotional venture between Allegheny Ludlum Steel Corporation and the Ford Motor Company. Three stainless steel Continentals were built; two for Allegheny and one for Ford. This is one of the Allegheny cars.

The same two companies also created promotional cars with the stainless steel bodies in 1936, building six 1936 Ford DeLuxes and in 1960 they built 2 Ford Thunderbirds.

Specifications:
Model: Model 86 Continental Four-Door Convertible
Original Factory price: Prototype - not sold commercially
Horsepower: 340
Displacement: 462 cid
Bore and Stroke: 4 3/8" x 3 3/16"
Wheelbase: 126 inches
Manufacture: Lincoln-Mercury Division, Ford Motor Company

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I figured AL was selling these because they were strapped for cash. This article has more meat to it.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2020/0 ... built-them
Full set of Allegheny Ludlum stainless steel-bodied Fords put up for sale by the company that built them
Photo courtesy Worldwide Auctioneers.

For decades, Allegheny Ludlum and its successor company have held on to the bulk of the 11 stainless-bodied Ford products that resulted from three different collaborations between the two companies. A source of pride for the company and for the Pittsburgh region in general, it seemed that the cars would forever remain in possession of the specialty metals company. However, in the face of a tough economic climate, Allegheny has decided to sell three of the cars, apparently the first time a complete set of the stainless Fords has ever hit the market.
"We didn't make the decision lightly," said Natalie Gillespie, a spokeswoman for Allegheny Technologies Inc. "But we decided it's only appropriate to utilize every lever we have...as we're faced with this extraordinary economic challenge."
Even before the coronavirus pandemic hit, Allegheny started out 2020 downsizing its salaried workforce "to align cost structures to demand levels," according to its first-quarter shareholders report. With sales down five percent year-over-year and with tougher times ahead due to the pandemic, the company has temporarily idled some of its facilities, cut executive pay by 20 percent, furloughed non-essential workers, and made various other cuts in expenses.
While it didn't seem like the five stainless Fords that Allegheny had held onto until just recently cost much to keep around - they'd been relegated in recent years from regular parade duty to the occasional car show and recruiting fair - the cars also weren't doing much for the company's bottom line. After all, most of its business these days comes from the aerospace, defense, and energy sectors with automotive sales accounting for just 7 percent of its business.
In the Thirties, however, Allegheny envisioned entire cars built from its stainless steel. The company was already supplying Ford with stainless for trim and radiator shells so, as Walt Gosden wrote in Special Interest Autos #60, December 1980, Allegheny took the next logical step of stamping entire bodies out of stainless. Six 1936 Ford Tudor Touring Sedans - which used standard Ford chassis and running gear - resulted, and by the end of the run the tougher stainless had reportedly ruined Ford's dies. Each of the six went to Allegheny district offices around the country and remained on the road as demonstrator vehicles well into the 1940s, by which time the bodies remained intact and in good shape but the chassis had racked up hundreds of thousands of miles and had worn out like any other 1936 Ford with that many miles would.
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Postcard photo of three of the Allegheny Ludlum stainless-bodied Fords. Hemmings archive image.

The two companies didn't collaborate again until 1960 when Allegheny stamped body panels, bumpers, grilles, and exhaust systems for two Thunderbird coupes out of T302 stainless and then sent those to Budd for assembly. Then again, six years later, Allegheny and Ford collaborated to build three Lincoln Continental convertibles, two of which went on to receive updates to 1967 Lincoln Continental appearance. According to Gosden, both the Thunderbirds and the Continentals somehow ended up weighing about the same as their production counterparts. (According to Frank Scheidt of the Early Ford V-8 Foundation, the stainless 1936 Ford weighs anywhere from a couple hundred pounds to 500 pounds more than a comparable production 1936 Ford.)
Allegheny made the latter five easy to keep track of: It held on to the two Thunderbirds and two of the three Continentals and eventually bought back the third Continental before the Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum in Cleveland obtained one of each.
The six 1936 Fords, however, Allegheny sold off after their use as demonstrators. Allegheny re-purchased two of the six over the years and the Crawford tracked down another to compile the first complete set of the three for public display. A fourth passed through a number of private owners before it was donated to the Early Ford V-8 Museum in 2016. Two remain unaccounted for.
The 1936 Ford that has since been donated to the Early Ford V-8 Museum. Photo by Jeff Koch.

Of the five remaining in Allegheny's possession, the company recently donated one to the Heinz History Center in Pittsburgh. "It was our way of ensuring that a piece of Allegheny Ludlum's legacy is retained in Pittsburgh," Gillespie said. One of the Lincoln Continentals will remain with Allegheny Technologies, but the three others - one 1936 Ford, one 1960 Thunderbird, and one 1966/1967 Lincoln Continental - will head to auction this fall at the Worldwide Auctioneers Auburn sale.
"They're fantastic," Gillespie said, "but we want to make sure these three are kept and maintained by somebody who loves them."
At what is perhaps the only time any of the 11 stainless cars has previously come up for auction, the 1936 Ford that has since joined the Early Ford V-8 Museum's collection bid up to $550,000 at the 2009 Mecum Monterey sale. Leo Gephardt, the owner of the car at the time, later told Hemmings Classic Car that he valued it at about triple that price.
According to Worldwide, the three will cross the block as one lot with no reserve. Worldwide's Auburn sale is planned to take place September 5. For more information, visit WorldwideAuctioneers.com.
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Also obvious this is a ‘66 due to the placement of the CONTINENTAL letters on the header panel above the grille. The letters are in the lower quadrant consistent with ‘66 production. ‘67 and later had them more centered.
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Obvious! Lol. I forgot about that one.
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Well, okay, with all the documentation there I guess I have to concede that they were built during the '66 M-Y...however, I'm still not 100% convinced that they were merely re-trimmed '66s. First of all, my established experience with the retrofit of a '67 dash pad onto a '66, which I already elaborated on. Second, the final '67 models had to have been approved for production by '64 or '65, which was established practice across the auto industry back then; that would allow them to put on trim and other modifications for a model that was not yet in production. I guess the only way to establish what went on with them would be to get into the dash panel and inspect the turn/hazard wiring setup, which I which I suspect I would never get permission for, unless I offered them $500Gs for one and they took it.

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It would be nice to confirm the VIN at this auction. That would tell us everything about the “true model year”.

It’s essentially a custom show car built for AL so it’s model year is not really so important. Custom is custom.
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Since they were built during the 66 model year run the VIN numbers should also be 66. My guess is they did what they had to to make whatever 67 parts they had on hand work. Unless they were already ready to switch assembly over to 67 the parts they used were probably pre-production or custom because they wouldn't have the normal supply of 67 parts ready to go until they were ready to start building them.
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According to this article, it sounds as if the 66 convertible may not be part of the auction. Only vague references...

https://triblive.com/local/valley-news- ... tion-them/
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I grabbed these two pics from that link.

I see four convertibles in that top pic.
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Yeah, I noticed that too and then zoomed in. That's a mirrored wall in the back. Looks like there are two convertibles. I thought there was only one left. Confusing as hell. At any rate, the article sounds like one of them is being retained by the owners. Honestly, if they are selling them due to business downturn, I doubt sale of these cars is going to solve their problems. Furthermore, what a horrible time to sell if they expect to get top dollar. People are likely hoarding cash right now, not investing in classics. One way or the other, I will be at Auburn to check them all out.

My personal opinion, I think the bastardization that occurred with the convertibles really detracts from what the value could be. They should have left them all '66. Someone with millions probably won't give a shit about that, but that's my opinion from a Lincoln-enthusiast perspective.
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I noticed the mirror too.
They would probably also get more for them if they weren't sold as a set. It's easier to store and manage one car then three and people will pay up for the one car they want but not many will pay up for all 3. At the same time they're more interesting as a set then separate.
i don't see the bastardization affecting the value. It's the uniqueness and history of them that holds the value. It would be more of a negative effect if someone tried to change them now to be year correct instead of leaving them the way they were built.
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