OH CRAP!!! Another Newbie!!!

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Sorry Tony, I guess my words are confusing. The fan blade isn't hitting anything physically. The air it is pushing is not making it to the vents. When the fan is running it is running just fine, there is a blockage of some sort or something preventing the air to flow. So when a/c or heat is on, very little to no airflow out of any of the vent settings. Shop claims to have replaced a vent vacuum motor but still not finding the reason air is not flowing or where the next flap door could be to be preventing the air flow.
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Thanks Tony for pointing out the 63 grille on my 64. I have another complete grill/headlight assembly (pics attached) for a 64. The only problem is you can see that the drivers side headlight piece, the mounting ear is broke off. Can this be welded back on? Or maybe just find someone who needs a 63 in trade for a 64 might be easier. Not sure where the 63 came from. Is it possible some 64's had a different grille, or more likely that 1 of the cars must have gotten grille replaced at some time through the years? The driver and parts car are titled as 1964's, who knows??? This is part of the reason I did not go the route of restoring to original. Heck, the owner I bought both cars from thought the parts car was a 65. Shows how long it has taken me to look at titles. Guess I better confirm VIN's with titles too! :roll: :doh:

Also still wondering if anybody has suggestions I can give the shop on my AC/Heat fan air flow. New fan runs great, but no airflow coming out the vents on the dash or defrost. Shop claims to have replaced a vacuum motor, but with all the lies that I have been told, maybe they didn't. At least I have it in writing it is supposed to be done from original deal I paid for and have receipts of parts they bought to try and get it going.
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It could be one of the blend doors thats not moved blocking the air.
I'm not sure on temp for these engines specifically but that's that's the typical normal range for a lot of engines.
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The year is easy to confirm, it is in the serial #, but you must use the one in the engine bay. I had a guy get very upset when I called his '67 a '66 with a '67 door. Even though the door was a different colour, he insisted that was the correct serial #.
Heaters are difficult to assess from afar, but if you drive it at highway speed, air should flow without a fan. This can help sort out if it is the fan, or a baffle. You may have a wiring issue causing a slower fan, but more likely a vacuum leak or misrouted line. Tricky to find and fix yourself, but teaching someone else at $100+ per hour can add up.
When you shut the engine off, enough vacuum should remain, to operate the system briefly. If not, a hose is leaking, or disconnected.
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Oh, Jason's is definitely a '64. The greenhouse alone confirms that. Somebody in the past definitely swapped grilles, either to replace the original one damaged in a collision or "just because," but failed to factor in the trim difference, thus the gap. I'm not sure if the broken piece can be fixed with welding; but being that the grilles were made of pot-metal, maybe it's possible.

Now, about the air not blowing into the car, that is very odd. The first thing I would think of is a flexible duct that is ripped or unfastened, but the flexible duct on these cars (well, at least mine) is placed before the fan, not after. There must be a malfunctioning flap somewhere along the inlet; if so, that means either the vacuum servo to the flap is defective, not being fed vacuum due to a broken hose, or not properly connected to the flap...or, the flap could be seized and needs to be freed up. Being that all the vents have been cut off from air flow, the problem has to be isolated to the inlet. I'm not really sure about what differences there are between '64 and '66; I only know the latter in detail.

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If you have the broken ear and the clearance, try superglue and baking soda. First gue the parts together, use use a shit-ton of SG across the backsides and sprinkle with baking soda. Build it up as much as necessary.

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Wow, that's brilliant! I'll need to try that next time I need to do repairs to the mounting tabs of my starboard mirror. I've known about and used the super-glue, but not the baking soda. I'll look that up.

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SG and baking soda create a super strong epoxy polymer. Hard as a rock and strong as heck. It can be tapped for screws, it’s so strong.

Tip: use the superglue liberally first, then sprinkle with the baking soda until it’s all absorbed. Then repeat until you’ve built up the area. You can file it down later, but it’s worse than trying to file lead filler. Almost as hard as steel. If you build up walls with paper tape, you can shape it or control it like a mold.
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I am trying to find the fix to my 63 and 64 grille set up because Tony created it for me :lol: . There is this one on ebay. The problem is, the one on eBay does not have the vertical "slats" on the piece for sale. Mine does, but I am not sure if they can be removed and put onto the one off of eBay? When I look at the back of my 64 grille there doesn't appear to be an "easy" way to take the polished vertical slats off my 64 grille to put onto the eBay 64 grille piece. (like screws) The next question is if all the headlight bezels, headlight bulb holders etc all go with the 64 grille that is currently in my car with the 63 grill? Or do I need more items other than the 64 grille itself? I duplicated the pic of my grille, broken drivers side with vertical slats and copied the eBay piece for sale. Also here is the link to that piece. Maybe the Gentleman who pointed out my grille mistake, uh-um Tony, cough cough, could chime in and enlighten me??? Please??? I am looking at this replacement as an alternative to SG/bakingsodaing my broken one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304616949855?h ... R5bazubpYA
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Here I am :smt006 . I have to say first that I'm not very familiar with the ultra-fine details of the grilles of those years, so what I offer is guesswork based on the pictures you've shared. From what I see, it looks like the mounting bases for the headlight components are integrated with the grille, as opposed to mine that are attached by nuts and bolts and thus relatively easy to swap out with compatible years (late-'60s). However, if I read your question correctly, you should not have issues with swapping the bulbs, buckets, springs, and retaining rings between grilles. I mean, if a '63 grille can fit onto a '64 (setting aside the one missing top trim piece for a mite), then the headlight components ought to swap in with no issues or need for extra parts. As for the vertical slats, again I don't know that much detail...but if the grille on E-Bay is missing all of those slats, that tells me there must be a way to transfer the ones on your damaged grille to the one on E-Bay. I'm thinking there would have to be screws or similar retainers in the back somewhere, and a more involved examination of your old grille should reveal that. Maybe the shop manual can provide guidance on that; they clearly are separate pieces, so there should be something in there about how to disassemble the grille pieces.

Sorry I can't be of more certain help; I didn't really intend to unleash another can of worms with my initial observation. Hopefully what I have offered helps to some extent.

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I have a '64 grille in my basement (both sides). I will take a look and see and get some pics when I go down there tomorrow.
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